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best legendaries?

Hello friends!! hope you are all well. I was wondering what are the best legendery pokemon to invest dust/candy in and trade for?

Also unrelated yet important question-- I have a ho-oh on 3590 CP and the internet doesn't seem to agree whats a better moveset some say its extrasensory/solar beam while others say extrasensory/ brave bird. your input would be greatly appreciated thanks!

Asked by Elcholorodrigo5 years 6 months ago
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It depends on what you want to use Ho-Oh for. The best neutral damage moveset is SW/SoB. The second most useful is ES/BB if you want a tank for Machamp raids.

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Kyogre is a solid investment, and would be my first recommendation for a specialist. Generalist, Shadow Ball Mewtwo.

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Here's my verdict:

S Tier:
Rayquaza
Kyogre
Groudon
Mewtwo

Premier attackers of one or more types, nothing will outclass them in their role except for themselves. They are meta defining, and top counters for their raid bosses that are weak or doubly weak to their typing

A Tier:

Moltres
Raikou
Latios

Top attackers of their types, with lots of good things going for them, even with incoming competition (I argue Latios because Palkia and Dialga still won't be effective low motivation gym sweepers with DT/O)

B Tier:

Entei
Zapdos

Outclassed by already existing legendaries, but they will still be in the top 3 options of their type into Gen 4.

C Tier:

Lugia
Deoxys (Attack, Normal)

Very niche fighters.

D Tier:

Articuno
Ho-Oh
Regirock
Regice
Lati@s

Don't even bother powering up, they're outclassed by many Pokemon.

F Tier:

Registeel
Other Deoxys Formes
Suicuine

Why are they in your dex? Transfer them immediately. (Unless if Shiny forms are released, that is)

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Word here is that Deoxys attack might have some value in the first slot against 1 bar raid bosses, where it takes them a long time to build up enough to get the first charged attack off. Expect that Deoxys attack will be almost KOd by the fast move, and will get some good damage off if using Psybeam or Dark Pulse.

For me, the jury is still out on that one, but could be a B or A to lead off an attack when the foe is weak to Psychic or Dark.

I also think Ho-Oh should be a C tier, as it makes a great Machamp tank powered up to level 30, but that's a small quibble. Wouldn't power it up to 35 or 40.

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Not a bad list.
Latios/Lugia belong on thier own Tier call it B+ Gym Sweepers.
Latios for Speed, Lugia for Potion Efficiency.

I'd move Ray to A+, and later Groudon. For me you have to figure out too what percentage of a legendaries value can be replaced by a non-legendary counterpart.

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I really like this logic; for example my 98 (15/15/14) Gary at level 40 is a whole point below my 96 (14/15/14) Kyogre at level 36.5, whereas my weather boosted (level 35) BB Charizard has yet to be overtaken by my fire Moltres.

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You have Latios on twice...

That said:

I have never ever seen the point of Ho-oh; Lugia with improved Sky Attack + STAB on quick plus charge does Machamp better.

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Unless the Machamp has Bullet Punch and Heavy Slam, and then Lugia looks very vulnerable, but Ho-Oh still resists and hits hard.

Also, Ho-Oh with SB is very effective against Groudon, resisting all three charged attacks, and double resisting the dreaded Solar Beam, as well as packing it to put a hurting on Groudon. Sure, it's a specialized niche, but one that will be important when Groudon comes back with a shiny form.

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Against Machamp with Bullet Punch / Heavy Slam, Lugia still hits harder and only lags about 9% in TDO (1159 vs. 1061 damage according to Pokebattler). Against all other movesets, Lugia does better in both TDO and DPS.

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BP/HS doesn't even remotely make Lugia seem vulnerable, it takes neutral damage and is still the counter with the 2nd highest TDO against that moveset. Easily takes a third of the boss HP by itself without dodging.

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I would move up Articuno and Ho-oh a tier. Everything else seems about right.

Pretty sure Articuno is still considered the best ice type

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IB Mewtwo outclasses Articuno. Cuno is still a pretty good ice attacker for now but it's a risky investment considering future ice mons.

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Mewtwo is psychic type though so it doesn't count as an ice type. And yes, Articuno will become outclassed when gen 4 comes but it should still be the best as of right now.

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Jynx is technically the best ice type, Articuno doesn’t have the stats to back itself up to even being the best. If you’re looking for a tanky option Regice would probably do better as well. So neither way is it the best, and Mewtwo despite being a psychic type has such massive attack it’s overall the best Pokémon to use as an ice attacker since it doesn’t have any of the horrible weaknesses ice does

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Jynx vs. Mewtwo is similar to Breloom vs. Machamp. Sure Jynx has a bit more DPS, but the disadvantage of being so glassy is real and hurts its performance. According to pokebattler, Mewtwo has better TTW against Rayquaza than Jynx, the difference likely caused by having to waste less time on deaths and rejoins.

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Jynx is way too frail to be considered the best ice type though. I also never said Articuno was for sure the best ice type, it just seems like it is because most sites rank Articuno as number 1.

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Pokemon's type effectiveness in this game aren't judged by the holder's type but by their damage output type. Being a certain type AND having moves that match that type sure helps because of STAB, but some Pokemon have stats so ridiculously huge that they can outpace other species when using their typed attacks. Mewtwo, despite not having STAB on Ice Beam, still deals more total damage to ice-vulnerable targets than Articuno (a proper ice type with dual ice attacks). That's why it counts as an ice type ATTACKER and the currently-best of them all at that. That speaks volumes about how powerful Mewtwo is and how relatively weak is Articuno in comparisson.
Tangentially, Mewtwo is also the best counter to itself if it has Shadow Ball because it deals more total super-effective damage than the strongest ghost, dark, and bug types in the game despite it not having a fast SE move to match its type or to follow up on its ghost type damage when it's not firing up shadow balls.
So yeah, Mewtwo is the best ice type attacker and arguably also the best ghost type attacker atm. Emphasis on "attacker".

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You are talking about who is the best ice attacker, I am talking about the best ice type. I never mentioned anything about who the best ice attacker is. I am not an idiot, obviously a pokemon with 300 attack is going to deal much more damage than one with less than 200 attack.

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"counting as an ice type" is irrelevant. Mewtwo deals higher ice-type DPS than Articuno with much better TDO than Jynx so it's currently overall the best ice-type attacker in the game. Like previously it was the overall best ghost-type attacker in the game without being a ghost-type.

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I'd drop Deoxys to D, possible F tier. Attack forme will have trouble living even through fast moves long enough to use its own charge.

Latios vs Dialga/Palkia: Dialga/Palkia could very well get DB/DC instead of DT/OR.

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For me its like.

S tier:
Kyogre
SB Mewtwo

A tier:
Rayquaza
Groudon
SA Moltres
Mewtwo not SB
Raikou

B tier:
Latios
Entei
Zapdos
Moltres not SA

C tier:
Lugia
Ho-oh
Articuno

Pokedex filler tier:
All Deoxys
Regice
Regirock
Registeel
Latias
Suicuine

Everyone can have their own list because of what they have/need

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I'd say Rayquaza or sky attack moltres if the best legendary, at the current moment or raid rotations, all of mewtwo's currently available sets arent overly useful, but depending on what comes next it might be good. I'd focus on thos ethree, try trading for some Rayquaza or sky attack moltres and try raiding mewtwo to build up some candy/good iv ones for later usage.

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