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Is Tyranitar even relevent anymore?

With Weavile out DPS'ing it as a dark attacker, same with honchkrow, and Rhyprior having near identical DPS, but more TDO, and Rampardos being....just absolutely insane with that Smackdown/Rockslide, is tyrnatiar still going to be relevant?

Asked by MetagrossMaxis5 years 5 months ago
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I don't know why but for me Tyranitar comes slighlty better in both DPS and TDO than Rhyperior when I use the spreadsheet.
Of course there will be other dark Pokemon surpassing Tyranitar in DPS, crunch is absolutely terrible. But the difference in bulk is huge.

Worst case scenario Tyranitar becomes a good Rock attacker and a decent tanky Dark attacker. Best case scenario one of the upcoming changes makes TDO more important than DPS and Tyranitar remains a top attacker for both types

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by mahzza 5 years 5 months ago

I think Rhyperior was ahead in terms of TDO before the stat recalculations. It no longer is. As far as Rock goes, Tyranitar is really only sweating Rampardos, but it remains to be seen how papery it will be in practice. I don't plan to evolve any of my good Rhydon until Niantic gives Rhyperior a different move (the Stone Edge experience has worn thin). They can all stay fainted in cryostasis, as they have been for months.

Dark Tyranitar is still going to have its place with Weavile and Honchkrow being much more fragile. Darkrai is going to be better, but we'll likely get only one of those.

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by Dr. T 5 years 5 months ago

This is good, yes? I am quite sick of using Tyrantiar over and over. I welcome a chance of laying them to rest without having to compromise my lineup.

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Tyranitar isn't as overpowering as it used to be but that's far from irrelevant. It's still got a combination of high DPS and great TDO in both of its types. Weavile and Honchkrow actually might not be that great as dark attackers because Gengar out-DPSs both of them by a significant amount and all are glassy, at least Tyranitar can bring its bulk to the table.

As for rock, Rhyperior is similar and Rampardos will probably be the go-to raid attacker because its DPS is sky high.

I'd say SD Tyranitar lost most of its trade value, but it's by no means a bad pokemon now. This just means that we have alternatives and the game as a result is much healthier. As soon as those other pokemon actually get released that is.

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Just because better options will be around doesn't change that people have several powered up already. Thanks to its bulkiness I can see people continuing to use them in cases where avoiding a relobby is ideal.

That said there's definite fatigue in having used them over and over again. With five T5 bosses weak to dark this generation I for one welcome the chance to use something different, namely Weavile and Honchkrow.

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I agree so much about the new variety being nice. Thrilled about all these new options for unique solos and pokedraft.

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I dont disagree that tyrantiar is still good, but its it being outclassed so much. PErsonally I do hope that tyranitar stays top dark attacker, i have 2 98%, one being lucky and the other being my first tyranitar, and likely still will be using them even if they arent the best option. The relobbying issue I can already see being in tyranitars favor will be Kyurem in gen 6, rampardo's paper thin and Rhyperior's weak to ice.

I do hope tyrnatiar stays in relevance, I have some suspicion that the gen 4 evolutions are delayed because of just how good some of them are and rampardos might be hard to come by because its a fossil (though if its a raid boss like the gen 1 fossils or cranidos is a tier 1 like the other fossis baring aerodactyl, that might change)

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Kyurem is Gen 5 broseph. We also get Meteor Mash Metagross this EDIT: Sunday which would likely be the go-to option for any needed tankiness since it resists both of Kyurem's STAB.

The evolutions are likely delayed due to pretty much all of them having special requirements. No to mention with the slow rollout method Niantic seems to have adopted since Gen 3 this allows them to save them for themed release. I'd expect the ghost and dark evolutions to come out for the Halloween event.

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I know its gen 5! I just want hope dang it, I just want hope tyrantiar wont be taken out completely. thoughi do like how metagross will become a better coutner to kyurem and other ice types than amchamp and tyranitar (baring artocuno)

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lol You're the one who said Gen 6.

I think it'll be a pretty long while before Tyranitar completely fizzles out. Keep in mind all the Gen 4 options besides Rampardos might require evo items or in Darkrai's case be mythical.

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Gen 6 is significantly far away with a massive generation between now and then. Tyranitar currently boasts the highest TDO against Yveltal with a generic double dark moveset. Against a double flying one Magnezone and A-Golem take the lead, with the former having higher DPS to boot. What's worse for Tyranitar is a significant number of Pokemon have higher DPS against it.

But again, that's really far away. Best not worry about it now and just enjoy what's good while it's good.

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I see this as a good thing. I hate using a full team of 6 of the same Pokémon. For raids requiring rock types we can now lead with Rampardos, follow up with Tyranitar and end with Rhyperior.

For raids requiring dark types we can lead with Weavile and Honchcrow and follow up with Tyranitar. Also throw Gengar and Mewtwo with Shadow Ball into the mix. As others have said, Darkrai will be the best Dark type and might even out dps Gengar, but it’s mythical.

I think these new top tier Pokémon are good for players like me who like to mix things up. Now I can have a variety of Pokémon for rock, dark, ground, dragon, etc.

Others remain the same, Fire for example. Heatran and Magmortar ended up being very underwhelming.

Anyway, Tyranitar is still a good Pokémon, and always will be. Plus it looks badass.

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Why people think a mon will be useless just because a new get the TOP? Even Houndoom can be used in raids, Tyranitar is still good, and will remain being in the top attackers.

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The thing about houndoom was it was very close DPS wise to tyrnatiar, Weavile has about 3 DPS up on tyranitar vs giratina, houndoom and even absol didnt even come close to that, edging out maybe a half a dps at absolute most

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Point still stands that Houndoom is useful. Again, I’d rather see him than Aggrons or anything else bulky but useless for raids. We don’t know when we’d get these options either. By next year Houndoom will probably reign under many for dark but that’s okay. Depending on needing items or not, Honchcrow can be had easily and Weavile as well

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Not disagreeing with tha aggron statement, seenn a few too many in my mewtwo raids. But about the items, I agree there, thats a bit more RNG based, I haven't seen any evo items in over a week, but with the 10 new ones needed for pokemon in gen 4, i think after they are added (which i agree might be a while) they likely will be more common.

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Weavile and honchcrow are glass cannons, so tyranitar will win this bet by firing off more charged attacks, but remember darkrai has a whoping 285 attack also with a proper dark move pool, so I don't know about that one. For rock type, yes, rampardos with a really good move pool and the fourth highest attack stat in the whole game (behind mewtwo and deoxys attack and normal) also a buffed HP stat, tyranitar could actually be dethroned in both ways.

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Darkrai's likely a research encounter, (but if its an EX raid, holy crap, i think it's get more attention than mewtwo) so thats likely a one off, i dont see it overtaking tyrantiar entirely if it is just a one time pokemon, but even still its a beast i'd rare candy in a heartbeat

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Seeing they made Deoxys an EX boss it's very within the realm of possibility Darkrai could get the same treatment.

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by hkn 5 years 5 months ago

The rebalance may benefit Tyranitar and make its tankiness more relevant.

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The rebalance does not shake the meta that much. It just takes down Blissey's and Chansey's tankiness and pumps up every other pokémon's tankiness, the frailest pokémon benefiting from a larger boost. But the mechanics are still the same, the raids are still DPS centric, so high DPS is still what you want the most, while high survivability coupled with high TDO is just an interesting factor for the last spots of a team to prevent a relobby.

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